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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:45:00 -
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After being 3-day banned for merely mining as a multiboxer (the ban stated "macro use" though no macros or automation were being used) I decided to make a site to demonstrate how you can multibox without breaking any rules. I won't be mining anymore and I can understand how seeing 12 ospreys mining would cause players and GM's to assume the worst. Now I'm training exploration to hopefully do some complexes.
Here's the site explaining how I have more computers than friends:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
If we could get some clarification from CCP about whether using programs like Synergy that merely allow you to use a single mouse among multiple computers in the same way someone uses a single mouse when they have multiple displays that would definitely open the door to a lot more multiboxers... and multiboxers are generally very fun to pewpew. Just ask the guys that blew up my entire rokh mining fleet a week ago as I attempted my 0.0 escape.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.03.28 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zhek Kromtor on 28/03/2010 00:16:30
 Originally by: AdmiralJohn
I'll bet that every single person supporting this guy is actually one of the 42 characters he is capable of using.
OP: You fail in more ways than you have accounts.
The point is, he isn't fourteen people, why the hell should he be able to benefit as if he were?
Because if I'm not allowed to play 14 then nobody should be allowed to play 2, unless CCP wants to come up with an arbitrary maximum number of accounts that one person can play.
And while we're on the subject of numbers, if you and your 13 space buddies really get beat by someone using wooden dowels to control 14 ships it is abundantly clear who fails in the most ways.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.04 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dogo Duma
blah blah blah ACCELERATING blah blah blah...
I assure you my progress compared to a normal player or to a normal group of players is anything but accelerated. LetÆs pretend I run missions 3 times as fast as a single player using 1 account That wealth is then spread out among 14 characters which means I gain wealth at a rate of 21% that of a normal player. Compare me to a group of individual players grouped together using 14 accounts to run missions and again I lag behind tremendously because it is so incredibly difficult to actually spread my guys out and loot or salvage efficiently. Then take a look at what the EULA is really restricting: macros. The acceleration they give is clearly seen in that the player can continue to gain wealth while not playing the game thus gaining wealth at a truly accelerated rate.
Literally the only advantage you could argue that I have over 14 individual players is my ability to focus fire with extreme coordination - that coordination could easily be matched by 14 people with half a brain and some discipline since I have to broadcast a target on my main and then attempt to sync click it with my other characters û the very same method by which they would focus fire. Using the overview for sync targeting is completely out of the question as it is incredibly unpredictable regardless of how it is sorted.
If what I am doing gives me an advantage as you claim then why are gangs of multiboxers not dominating the landscape of Eve? Why, in every MMO, is it considered an accomplishment for a multiboxer to achieve the same things that normal groups achieve?
You can say that using a wooden dowel or boxing software provides acceleration compared to not using it, but they only accelerate base multiboxing capabilities and never match or ever come close to exceeding the capabilities of individuals controlling the accounts i.e. ônormal gameplayö.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.04 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dramund
He was banned for it. I'd call that a pretty official answer.
*facepalm*
I'm currently playing all 14 accounts now. I'm not banned, nor was I told not to play the accounts. Read the OP.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.08 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Celes Steele
I can haz quotes
There are different versions of synergy, some which allow for you to move your cursor on all your screens at once. It's referred to as synchronized or broadcasted mouse which is no different than what all common multiboxing software (Keyclone, Octopus, etc) do for the keyboard. In my original petition I explained to CCP that this was all that was being used - keep in mind the ban was for "macro use" and I was 3-day banned while mining so it was obvious they thought I was a macro miner. It was then pointed out to me on dual-boxing.com forums that CCP may not even allow the use of multiboxing software. I decided to come up with a method that would allow me to definitely play without breaking any rules while waiting for CCP's reply. There has been no reply in any form to my original anonymous petition (you can't petition via your accounts when 3 day banned cause you can't log even into the website).
I've gone out of my way to make a website detailing how my new setup works. I've never macroed and I don't even mine anymore thanks to this crap. CCP can easily tell whether or not someone is running third party software like Synergy. I understand your desire to get a 24/7 video feed on me so you can see me slouched over my precious wooden dowels, surely all 400 lbs of me covered in a mixture of acne puss, sweat, and a near full-body neckbeard, but that would just be too embarassing for me. Maybe if CCP actually lets us know specifically what is and isn't allowed then I can go through the trouble of making a sexy video of my fat fingers dancing upon my wooden dowels with the knowledge that every other asshat poster quoting some irrelevant line in the EULA that they claim proves that using wooden sticks is akin to macroing at least won't be taken seriously.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.09 13:42:00 -
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luckily my mom forbids me from practicing reproduction in her basement
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/ |
Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.10 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zhek Kromtor on 10/04/2010 05:16:06
Originally by: Cambarus
BAM! Got a response from a senior GM today regarding my petition :D
For obvious reasons I won't post the exact response here, but suffice to say that the senior GM said that using programs such as synergy (and YES, this DOES include versions that can control several accounts at once) IS ALLOWED \o/
I think you should post it, at the very least let us know the name of the GM or the detractors will not believe you.
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Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.04.12 19:02:00 -
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Lee Gordon, that's the GM response that I was referring to when I stated on my site that "...then I come to realize after complaining to other multiboxers on dual-boxing.com that CCP may not even allow software multiboxing..."
According to Cambarus several posts back, (Senior?) GM Lelouch has since overruled that seemingly decided-as-he-perused-the-EULA decision.
The mere fact that CCP has no interest in commenting in this thread, nor in banning me makes it clear that multiboxing - at least with dowels - is condoned. Responding to confirm that would only cause ragequits from the self-righteous single account protestors who clearly could not be part of a game that allows such impure behavior.
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/ |
Zhek Kromtor
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Posted - 2010.05.18 14:15:00 -
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Thank you GM Lelouch for clarifying the rules it is much appreciated. Also thanks to GM Krymus who did eventually respond to my petition, apologized and expunged the 3-day ban from my record. I'm very impressed by the CCP employees in the way they rectified this.
As for the "slipperly slope" arguments, seriously, good luck trying to play 6 at once let alone 64. Nothing works exactly how you want it and you are constantly having to switch to single systems in order to correct things.
I take no offense to the "get a life" comments. My grandmother and I just finished a project that utilizes the laundry chute as a means for deliverying hotpockets fresh out of the microwave to me in the basement. I ring a bell and a few minutes later she drops a hot one down the chute. Believe me, I've got the life.
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